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      GENDER DIFFERENCES IN COMPUTER-MEDIATED COMMUNICATION:
      BRINGING FAMILIAR BAGGAGE TO THE NEW FRONTIER


      Susan Herring

      Program in Linguistics
      University of Texas
      Arlington, TX 76019
      susan@utafll.uta.edu

      (Keynote talk at panel entitled "Making the Net*Work*: Is
      there a Z39.50 in gender communication?", American Library
      Association annual convention, Miami, June 27, 1994.)


      1. Introduction
      Although research on computer-mediated communication
      (CMC) dates back to the early days of the technology in the
      1970's, researchers have only recently begun to take the
      gender of users into account.[1] This is perhaps not
      surprising considering that men have traditionally dominated
      the technology and have comprised the majority of users of
      computer networks since their inception, but the result is
      that most of what has been written on CMC incorporates a very
      one-sided perspective. However, recent research has been
      uncovering some eye-opening differences in the ways men and
      women interact "online", and it is these differences that I
      will address in my talk today.
      My basic claim has two parts: first, that women and
      men have recognizably different styles in posting to the
      Internet, contrary to the claim that CMC neutralizes
      distinctions of gender; and second, that women and men have
      different communicative ethics -- that is, they value
      different kinds of online interactions as appropriate and
      desirable. I illustrate these differences -- and some of the
      problems that arise because of them -- with specific reference
      to the phenomenon of "flaming".

      2. Background
      Since 1991 I've been lurking (or what I prefer to
      call "carrying out ethnographic observation") on various
      computer-mediated discussion lists, downloading electronic
      conversations and analyzing the communicative behaviors of
      participants. I became interested in gender shortly after
      subscribing to my first discussion list, LINGUIST-L. Within
      the first month after I began receiving messages, a conflict
      arose (what I would later learn to call a "flame war") in
      which the two major theoretical camps within the field became
      polarized around an issue of central interest. My curiosity
      was piqued by the fact that very few women were contributing
      to this important professional event; they seemed to be
      sitting on the sidelines while men were airing their opinions
      and getting all the attention. In an attempt to understand
      the women's silence, I made up an anonymous survey which I
      sent to LINGUIST-L asking subscribers what they thought of
      the discussion and if they hadn't contributed, why not.

      3. Initial observations
      The number one reason given by both men and women for
      not contributing to the LINGUIST discussion was "intimidation"
      -- as one respondent commented, participants were trying to
      "rip each other's lungs out". Interestingly, however, men and
      women reacted differently to feeling intimidated. Men seemed
      to accept such behavior as a normal feature of academic life,
      making comments to the effect that "Actually, the barbs and
      arrows were entertaining, because of course they weren't aimed
      at me." In contrast, many women responded with profound
      aversion.

      That is precisely the kind of human interaction I
      committedly avoid. (...) I am dismayed that human
      beings treat each other this way. It makes the world
      a dangerous place to be. I dislike such people and I
      want to give them WIDE berth.

      When I analyzed the messages in the thread itself,
      another gender difference emerged, this time relating to the
      linguistic structure and rhetoric of the messages. A
      daunting 68% of the messages posted by men made use of an
      adversarial style in which the poster distanced himself from,
      criticized, and/or ridiculed other participants, often while
      promoting his own importance. The few women who participated
      in the discussion, in contrast, displayed features of
      attenuation -- hedging, apologizing, asking questions rather
      than making assertions -- and a personal orientation,
      revealing thoughts and feelings and interacting with and
      supporting others.
      It wasn't long before I was noticing a similar pattern
      in other discussions and on other lists. Wherever I went on
      mixed-sex lists, men seemed to be doing most of the talking
      and attracting most of the attention to themselves, although
      not all lists were as adversarial as LINGUIST. I started to
      hear stories about and witness men taking over and dominating
      discussions even of women-centered topics on women-centered
      lists.[2] In contrast, on the few occasions when I observed
      women attempting to gain an equal hearing on male-dominated
      lists, they were ignored, trivialized, or criticized by men
      for their tone or the inappropriateness of their topic.[3]
      It wasn't until I started looking at lists devoted to women's
      issues, and to traditionally "feminized" disciplines such as
      women's studies, teaching English as a second language, and
      librarianship, that I found women holding forth in an amount
      consistent with their numerical presence on the list. I also
      found different interactional norms: little or no flaming,
      and cooperative, polite exchanges.

      4. Different styles
      As a result of these findings, I propose that women
      and men have different characteristic online styles. By
      characteristic styles, I do not mean that all or even the
      majority of users of each sex exhibit the behaviors of each
      style, but rather that the styles are recognizably -- even
      steoretypically -- gendered. The male style is characterized
      by adversariality: put-downs, strong, often contentions
      assertions, lengthy and/or frequent postings, self-promotion,
      and sarcasm. Below are two examples, one from an academic
      list (LINGUIST) and the other from a non-academic list
      (POLITICS).

      1) [Jean Linguiste's] proposals towards a more transparent
      morphology in French are exactly what he calls them:
      a farce. Nobody could ever take them seriously -- unless
      we want to look as well at pairs such as *pe`re - me`re*,
      *coq - poule* and defigure the French language in the
      process.

      [strong assertions ('...exactly...', 'nobody...'), put-downs
      ('JL's proposals are a farce'; implied: 'JL wants to defigure
      the French language')]

      2) >yes, they did...This is why we must be allowed to
      >remain armed...who is going to help us if our government
      >becomes a tyranny? no one will.

      oh yes we *must* remain armed. anyone see day one last
      night abt charlestown where everyone/s so scared of
      informing on murderers the cops have given up ? where
      the reply to any offense is a public killing ? knowing
      you/re not gonna be caught cause everyone/s to afraid to
      be a witness ?

      yeah, right, twerp.

      > ----[Ron] "the Wise"----

      what a joke.

      [sarcasm, name calling, personal insults]

      The second example would be characterized as a "flame" by most
      readers because of its personally offensive nature.
      Less exclusively male-gendered but still characteristic
      of male postings is an authoritative, self-confident stance
      whereby men are more likely than women to represent themselves
      as experts, e.g. in answering queries for information. The
      following example is from NOTIS-L.

      3) The NUGM Planning meeting was cancelled before all of
      this came up. It has nothing to do with it. The
      plans were simply proceeding along so well that there
      was no need to hold the meeting. That is my
      understanding from talking to NOTIS staff just last
      week.

      [authoritative tone, strong assertions ('...nothing...',
      '...simply...', '...just...')]

      The female-gendered style, in contrast, has two
      aspects which typically co-occur: supportiveness and
      attentuation. 'Supportiveness' is characterized by
      expressions of appreciation, thanking, and community-building
      activities that make other participants feel accepted and
      welcome. 'Attenuation' includes hedging and expressing doubt,
      apologizing, asking questions, and contributing ideas in the
      form of suggestions. The following examples, from a non-
      academic list (WOMEN) and an academic list (TESL-L),
      illustrate each type:

      4) >Aileen,
      >
      >I just wanted to let you know that I have really
      >enjoyed all your posts about Women's herstory. They
      >have been extremely informative and I've learned alot
      >about the women's movement. Thank you!
      >
      >-Erika

      DITTO!!!! They are wonderful!

      Did anyone else catch the first part of a Century of
      Women? I really enjoyed it.
      Of course, I didn't agree with everything they said....
      but it was really informative.

      Roberta~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      [appreciates, thanks, agrees, appeals to group]

      5) [...] I hope this makes sense. This is kind of what I
      had in mind when I realized I couldn't give a real
      definitive answer. Of course, maybe I'm just getting
      into the nuances of the language when it would be easier
      to just give the simple answer. Any response?

      [hedges, expresses doubt, appeals to group]

      The female style takes into consideration what the sociologist
      Erving Goffman called the "face" wants of the addressee --
      specifically, the desire of the addressee to feel ratified and
      liked (e.g. by expressions of appreciation) and her desire not
      to be imposed upon (e.g. by absolute assertions that don't allow
      for alternative views). The male style, in contrast, confronts
      and threatens the addressee's "face" in the process of engaging
      him in agonistic debate.
      While these styles represent in some sense the extremes
      of gendered behavior, there is evidence that they have symbolic
      significance above and beyond their frequency of use. Thus
      other users regularly infer the gender of message posters on
      the basis of features of these styles. Cases where the self-
      identified gender of the poster is open to question are
      especially revealing in this regard. Consider the following
      cases, the first involving a male posing as a female, the second
      a suspected female posing as a male:

      (i) A male subscriber on SWIP-L posted a message disagreeing
      with the general consensus that discourse on SWIP should be
      non-agonistic, commenting "there's nothing like a healthy
      denunciation by one's colleagues every once in a while to get
      one's blood flowing, and spur one to greater subtlety and
      exactness of thought." He signed his message with a female
      pseudonym, however, causing another (female) subscriber to
      comment later, "I must confess to looking for the name of the
      male who wrote the posting that [Suzi] sent originally and
      was surprised to find a female name at the end of it." The
      female subscriber had (accurately) inferred that anyone
      actively advocating "denunciation by one's colleagues" was
      probably male.

      (ii) At a time when a male subscriber had been posting
      frequent messages to the WOMEN list, another subscriber
      professing to be a man posted a message inquiring what the
      list's policy was towards men participating on the list,
      admitting "I sometimes feel guilty for taking up bandwidth."
      The message, in addition to showing consideration for the
      concerns of others on the list, was very attenuated in style
      and explicitly appreciative of the list: "I really enjoy
      this list (actually, it's the best one I'm on)". This
      prompted another (female) subscriber to respond, "now that
      you've posed the question...how's one to know you're not a
      woman posing this question as a man?" Her suspicion
      indicates that on some level she recognized that anyone
      posting a message expressing appreciation and consideration
      for the desires of others was likely to be female.

      The existence of gendered styles has important implications,
      needless to say, for the claim that CMC is anonymous,
      "gender-blind", and hence inherently democratic. If our
      online communicative style reveals our gender, then gender
      differences, along with their social consequences, are likely
      to persist on computer-mediated networks.[4]
      Entire lists can become gendered in their style as
      well. It is tactily expected that members of the non-dominant
      gender will adapt their posting style in the direction of the
      style of the dominant gender. Thus men on women's special
      interest lists attenuate their assertions and shorten their
      messages, and women, especially on male-dominated lists such
      as LINGUIST and PAGLIA-L, can be contentious and adversarial.
      Arguably, they must adapt in order to participate
      appropriately in keeping with the norms of the local list
      culture. Most members of the non-dominant gender on any
      given list however end up style-mixing, that is, taking on
      some attributes of the dominant style while preserving
      features of their native style, e.g. with men often
      preserving a critical stance and women a supportive one at
      the macro-message level. This suggests that gendered styles
      are deeply rooted -- not surprising, since they are learned
      early in life -- and that some features are more resistant to
      conscious reflection and modification than others.

      5. Different communication ethics
      The second part of this talk concerns the value
      systems that underlie and are used to rationalize communicative
      behavior on the net. In particular, I focus on the phenomenon
      of flaming, variously defined as "the expression of strong
      negative emotion", use of "derogatory, obscene, or
      inappropriate language", and "personal insults". A popular
      explanation advanced by CMC researchers[5] is that flaming is
      a by-product of the medium itself -- the decontextualized and
      anonymous nature of CMC leads to "disinhibition" in users and
      a tendency to forget that there is an actual human being at
      the receiving end of one's emotional outbursts. However, CMC
      research until recently has largely overlooked gender as a
      possible influence on behavior, and the simple fact of the
      matter is that it is virtually only men who flame. If the
      medium makes men more likely to flame, it should have a
      similar effect on women, yet if anything the opposite appears
      to be the case. An adequate explanation of flaming must
      therefore take gender into account.
      Why do men flame? The explanation, I suggest, is that
      women and men have a different communication ethic, and male
      ethical ideals can be evoked to justify flaming. I stumbled
      upon this realization recently as a result of a survey I
      conducted on politeness on the Internet. I had originally
      hypothesized that the differences in the extremes of male and
      female behavior online -- in particular, the tendency for
      women to be considerate of the "face" needs of others while
      men threaten others' "face" -- could be explained if it turned
      out that women and men have different notions of what
      constitutes appropriate behavior. In other words, as a woman
      I might think that adversarial behavior is rude, but men who
      behave adversarially might think otherwise. Conversely, men
      might not value the supportive and attenuated behaviors of
      women.
      In the survey, I asked subscribers from eight Internet
      discussion lists to rank their like or dislike for 30
      different net behaviors, including "flaming", "expressing
      thanks and appreciation", and "overly tentative messages", on
      a scale of 1 (like) to 5 (dislike). The survey also asked
      several open-ended questions, including most notably: What
      behaviors bother you most on the net?
      My initial hypothesis turned out to be both correct
      and incorrect. It was incorrect in that I found no support
      whatsoever for the idea that men's and women's value systems
      are somehow reversed. Both men and women said that they
      liked expressions of appreciation (avg. score of 2), were
      neutral about tentative messages (avg. about 3), and disliked
      flaming (although women expressed a stronger dislike than
      men, giving it a score of 4.3 as compared with 3.9 for men).
      This makes male flaming behavior all the more puzzling;
      should we conclude then that men who flame are deliberately
      trying to be rude?
      The answers to the open-ended questions suggest
      another explanation. These answers reveal a gender contrast
      in values that involves politeness but cannot be described in
      terms of politeness alone. It seems women place a high value
      on consideration for the wants and needs of others, as
      expressed in the following comment:

      If we take responsibility for developing our own
      sensitivities to others and controlling our actions to
      minimize damage -- we will each be doing [good deeds]
      for the whole world constantly.

      Men, in contrast, assign greater value to freedom from
      censorship, forthright and open expression, and agonistic
      debate as a means to advance the pursuit of knowledge.
      Historically, the value on absolute freedom of speech
      reflects the civil libertarian leanings of the computing
      professionals who originally designed the net and have
      contributed much of the utopian discourse surrounding it; the
      value on agonistic debate is rooted in the western (male)
      philosophical tradition.
      These ideals are stirringly evoked in the following
      quote from R. Hauben (1993) praising the virtues of the
      Usenet system, on which 95% of the contributors are estimated
      to be male:

      The achievement of Usenet News demonstrates the
      importance of facilitating the development of
      uncensored speech and communication -- there is debate
      and discussion -- one person influences another --
      people build on each other's strengths and interests,
      differences, etc.

      One might think that uncensored speech if abused could cause
      problems, but M. Hauben (1993) explains that there is a
      democratic way of handling this eventuality:

      When people feel someone is abusing the nature of
      Usenet News, they let the offender know through e-mail.
      In this manner...people fight to keep it a resource
      that is helpful to society as a whole.

      Consider, however, how the ideal of "people fight[ing] to
      keep [the net] a resource that is helpful to society as a
      whole", translates into violent action in the response of a
      male survey respondent to the question: "What behaviors
      bother you most on the net?"

      As much as I am irritated by [incompetent posters],
      I don't want imposed rules. I would prefer to "out"
      such a person and let some public minded citizen fire
      bomb his house to imposing rules on the net. Letter
      bombing a annoying individual's feed is usually
      preferable to building a formal heirarchy of net cops.

      Another net vigilante responds more graphically as follows:

      I'd have to say commercial shit. Whenever someone
      advertises some damn get-rich-quick scheme and
      plasters it all over the net by crossposting it to
      every newsgroup, I reach for my "gatling gun mailer
      crasher" and fire away at the source address.

      These responses not only evoke an ideal of freedom from
      external authority, they provide an explicit justification
      for flaming: as a form of self-appointed regulation of the
      social order, a rough and ready form of justice on the
      virtual frontier. Thus a framework of values is constructed
      within which flaming and other aggressive behaviors can be
      interpreted in a favorable (even prosocial) light. This is
      not to say that all or even most men who flame have the good
      of net society at heart, but rather that the behavior is in
      principle justifiable for men (and hence tolerable) in ways
      that it is not for most women.

      6. Netiquette
      Further evidence that flaming is tolerated and
      justified within a system of male values is the content of
      written rules of network etiquette, or "netiquette", such as
      are available on many public FTP sites and in introductory
      messages to new members of some discussion lists. I analyzed
      the content of netiquette rules from six lists, along with
      those found in the guidelines for Usenet and in the print
      publication _Towards an Ethic and Etiquette for Electronic
      Mail_ by Shapiro and Anderson (1985). What do netiquette
      rules say about flaming?
      The answer is: remarkably little, given that it is
      one of the most visible and frequently-complained about
      "negatives" cited about the Internet. One might even say
      there is a striking *lack* of proscription against flaming,
      with the exception of a few women-owned and women-oriented
      lists. And in the rare instances where flaming is mentioned,
      it is implicitly authorized. Thus the guidelines for new
      subscribers to the POLITICS list prohibit "flames of a
      personal nature", and Shapiro and Anderson advise "Do not
      insult or criticize third parties without giving them a
      chance to respond". While on the surface appearing to oppose
      flaming, these statements in fact implicitly authorize
      "flames other than of a personal nature" (for example, of
      someone's ideas or values) and "insulting or criticizing
      third parties" (provided you give them a chance to respond).
      Normative statements such as these are compatible with male
      values and male adversarial style; the intimidating rhetoric
      on LINGUIST and many other lists is not a violation of net
      etiquette according to these rules.[6] Yet these are
      behaviors that female survey respondents say intimidate them
      and drive them off of lists and newsgroups. Can the Internet
      community afford to tolerate behaviors that intimidate and
      silence women? This is a question that urgently needs to be
      raised and discussed net-wide.

      7. Conclusions
      To sum up, I have argued that women and men constitute
      different discourse communities in cyberspace -- different
      cultures, if you will -- with differing communicative norms
      and practices. These cultures are not however "separate but
      equal"; rather, the norms and practices of masculine net
      culture, codified in netiquette rules, conflict with those of
      the female culture in ways that render cyberspace -- or at
      least many "neighborhoods" in cyberspace -- inhospitable to
      women.
      What can be done to address the imbalance? I'll
      conclude by mentioning three ways in which I believe women
      can promote their concerns and influence the discourse of the
      net.[7] The first is to support and participate in women-
      centered lists. Such lists provide comfortable fora for
      women online, and are frequently models of cooperative
      discourse whose norms then become available for wider
      application if subscribers participate in other lists as
      well. But separatism has its disadvantages, among them the
      risk of ghettoization. Women must not let themselves be
      driven by flame throwers away from mainstream, mixed-sex
      fora, but rather should actively seek to gain influence
      there, individually and collectively, especially in fora
      where metadiscourse about the net itself takes place.
      The second way to promote women's interests net-wide
      is to educate online communities about the rhetorical
      strategies used in intimidating others, and call people on
      their behavior and its consequences when they use such
      strategies. This is already happening on some women-centered
      lists such as WMST-L and SWIP-L -- aware of the tendency for
      a single man or group of men to dominate discussions even on
      women-centered topics, female subscribers call attention to
      the behavior as soon as they realize it is happening, and
      interestingly, it is happening less and less often on these
      lists. Group awareness is a powerful force for change, and
      can be raised in mixed-sex fora as well.
      Finally, women need to participate in any way they
      can in the process that leads to the encoding of netiquette
      rules. Instigate and participate persuasively in discussions
      about what constitutes appropriate and inappropriate behavior
      online -- seek to define in concrete terms what constitutes
      "flaming", for instance, since women and men will probably
      have different ideas about this. Take the initiative and
      write down guidelines for suggested list protocol (or
      modifications to list protocol if guidelines already exist)
      and post them for discussion. No greater power exists than
      the power to define values, and the structure of the Internet
      -- especially now, while it is still evolving and seeking its
      ultimate definition -- provides a unique opportunity for
      individual users to participate in the normative process.
      Indeed, it may be vital that we do so if women's
      behavior is to be accorded value, and if we are to insure
      women the right to settle on the virtual frontier on their
      own -- rather than on male-defined -- terms.


      NOTES

      1. A notable exception to this generalization is the work
      of Sherry Turkle in the 1980's on how women and men relate
      to computers.
      2. For an interesting example of this phenomenon on the
      soc.feminism Usenet newsgroup, see Sutton (1994).
      3. Herring, Johnson, and DiBenedetto (1992).
      4. This problem is discussed in Herring (1993a).
      5. For example, Kiesler et al. (1984), Kim and Raja (1990),
      and Shapiro and Anderson (1985).
      6. The discussion of politeness and communication ethics is
      an abbreviated version of that presented in Herring (To
      appear).
      7. For other practical suggestions on how to promote gender
      equality in networking, see especially Kramarae and Taylor
      (1993).


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